Comments on: Daniel Woods Rampage Continues

By: Tom Cooper

Tom Cooper — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 06:03:29 +0000

Daniel Woods is just sending, sending, sending. Along with Paul Robinson and his V15 nonsense. Keep the Progression up fellas!

By: Marc Germani

Marc Germani — Sat, 29 May 2010 02:43:19 +0000

it felt 15 because the body power was not his strong thing

it’s all relative to each person, i might feel it’s … (nothing actually) because i probably won’t see the holds ha ha

so why make a big deal out of nothing? some creatures can walk on a roof, others can’t hehehe

ok talking seriously, you must not care about grades that much. Grades will make some worthless websites live longer, and that’s not a good thing for Climbing in anyway.

By: Narc

Narc — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:03:43 +0000

Clearly the real problem starts on the boulder you crawl onto to finish Baby Martini, reverses Baby Martini down to the lowest part of the cave then out Desperanza.

By: Justin

Justin — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:25:09 +0000

I demand satisfaction! The problem is invalid until someone downclimbs the from the ‘finishing jug’ of Esperanza into the Litz Problem to finish and top out as per Right Martini. This mega classic will surely be v15 and we will call it Despertini!

For serious though, I’d rather talk about feelings than comment on climbing access and wilderness preservation. That stuff is for girls and they never come to this website.

By: B3

B3 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:18:40 +0000

It’s interesting that we have 60 some comments about what people think about the subjective grade of a problem that none of us have climbed, yet only a handful of comments about the access issues at Mt. Evans, which directly impact the climbing experience of many of us.

By: Ovrfiend

Ovrfiend — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:42:18 +0000

Sockhands’ mention of Barefoot on Sacred Ground brings up a good point. If you drop off the hueco, its 12 points. If you traverse around the corner and finish See Spot Run, its 12 points. If adding a handful of V6 moves to V12=V12, then maybe Desperanze should be V14. Daniel gets to make the final call but it is an interesting point.

By: joe

joe — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:12:47 +0000

This doesn’t make sense. People change and progress, rocks (at least on the time scale of the human life) do not. Just because a problem becomes easier for people over time doesn’t mean you should change the grade. The vanguard of the sport (ie, Daniel Woods and others) should be determining grades.

To respond to Atticus’s point, that “the depth of V14 and V15 should be preserved,” again, for whom but the very best (ie, Daniel Woods) is that to determine? If a grade becomes “too deep,” that is, encompasses too great a skill range, then it loses its meaning. Let the pros continue to work out what they think are 14, 15, 16… 17, 18, 19, 20…

By: Crafty

Crafty — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:58:24 +0000

sockhands,

As Esperanza/Desperanza finishes now, the closest one gets to Right Martini is having the right foot in the big hueco on Right Martini when one throws for the finishing jug of Esperanza.

If people want to complain about it not topping out, so be it. But I feel that a lot of problems at Hueco either don’t top out or have questionable quality rock on top. It certainly adds a spice factor, but it’s not like the sandstone in the Southeast where the topouts are classic, unique, and difficult. tacking on a topout would, in my opinion, be sorta pointless in this case.

Do we need to add chossy climbing over a weird landing to make a classic roof problem that starts on a jug and ends on a jug better?

By: Atticus

Atticus — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:55:30 +0000

I agree with Dave.

The depth of V14 and V15 should be preserved. Only time will tell…..

By: sock hands

sock hands — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:13:32 +0000

wait, also, if terremer represents ~ “a new level at hueco tanks”, and if daniel just did terremer, and if daniel thinks desperanza is on a level with terremer, doesn’t that mean that desperanza is at such (then) new level? i.e. the apparently divine level of v15?

whatever.

in any event, if dave is ever successful in the tail-chasing quest of grade uniformity, his true mark on the sport will still be the developing of areas and establishing classic lines, pushing the level of the sport…. not championing a madman’s ideal; defending the chastity of “v15″.

this goes for you too, b3po!