Comments on: Guidebook discussion with Rangers http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/ Jamie Emerson Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:45:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Blake B. http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49778 Blake B. Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:40:12 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49778 well isn't it true that two of the park rangers flashed Jade? That's probably why they downrated it. I flashed it last year and thought it was v10 instead of 12. well isn’t it true that two of the park rangers flashed Jade? That’s probably why they downrated it. I flashed it last year and thought it was v10 instead of 12.

]]> By: B3 http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49269 B3 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:49:12 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49269 I didn't think that was necessary as Fred has already talked with the rangers there once, and we are scheduling a meeting with them to sit down in person. Ben you know I would happily talk to Cam about this, although hasn't he moved to France already? I didn’t think that was necessary as Fred has already talked with the rangers there once, and we are scheduling a meeting with them to sit down in person.
Ben you know I would happily talk to Cam about this, although hasn’t he moved to France already?

]]> By: BS http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49268 BS Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:55:14 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49268 Why have you not contacted Cam about any of this? He has done tons of work on this already with Mt Evans Rangers. What is the hold up? If your going to be thorough, you should have picked his brain before going public with any of this. I am confused? Why have you not contacted Cam about any of this?
He has done tons of work on this already with Mt Evans Rangers.
What is the hold up?
If your going to be thorough, you should have picked his brain before going public with any of this.

I am confused?

]]> By: B3 http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49260 B3 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:55:54 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49260 that was an attempt at humor. that was an attempt at humor.

]]> By: TDOG http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49259 TDOG Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:36:48 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49259 Likely that "They" just had written it down wrong. You know that no ranger climbed it and downgraded. Likely that “They” just had written it down wrong. You know that no ranger climbed it and downgraded.

]]> By: bean http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49235 bean Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:20:25 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49235 wait did I just read that jade is no longer v15 wait did I just read that jade is no longer v15

]]> By: Brian http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49232 Brian Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:48:05 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49232 Jamie, it sounds like you are dealing with some good rangers. That is great to hear. Whether or not to create a guidebook is as endless a debate as grades, but bottom line, it will dramatically increase the number of visitors, so best to do it well. Good luck. Also, if you weren't aware, the NPS and Access Fund signed a MOU this year. It is a quick read. http://www.accessfund.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5071835&ct=7146889 Jamie, it sounds like you are dealing with some good rangers. That is great to hear. Whether or not to create a guidebook is as endless a debate as grades, but bottom line, it will dramatically increase the number of visitors, so best to do it well. Good luck.

Also, if you weren’t aware, the NPS and Access Fund signed a MOU this year. It is a quick read.
http://www.accessfund.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=tmL5KhNWLrH&b=5071835&ct=7146889

]]> By: sockhands http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49231 sockhands Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:40 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49231 this is amazing, jamie... nice work! very glad to hear that things are getting off to such a great start. i've said it a few times already, but i would like to request that something is mentioned to the rangers regarding the attitude towards and treatment of boulderers with resepect to using the bus system. in the first year of the busses, drivers were very congenial and helpful to climbers. now, they regularly refuse climbers spots on relatively or literally empty busses because of our pads while not blinking an eye to massive external frame backpacks, stroller/diaper bag mayhem, and extended fishing rods poking folks in the eyes. i'm not sure if pad people have been regularly rude to bus drivers to start this strange unspoken policy of blocking access, but i needs to be addressed in order for the park to facilitate a non-stashing ethic. THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS JAMIE this is amazing, jamie… nice work!

very glad to hear that things are getting off to such a great start.

i’ve said it a few times already, but i would like to request that something is mentioned to the rangers regarding the attitude towards and treatment of boulderers with resepect to using the bus system.

in the first year of the busses, drivers were very congenial and helpful to climbers.

now, they regularly refuse climbers spots on relatively or literally empty busses because of our pads while not blinking an eye to massive external frame backpacks, stroller/diaper bag mayhem, and extended fishing rods poking folks in the eyes.

i’m not sure if pad people have been regularly rude to bus drivers to start this strange unspoken policy of blocking access, but i needs to be addressed in order for the park to facilitate a non-stashing ethic.

THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS JAMIE

]]> By: chuffer http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49224 chuffer Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:59:41 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49224 I'm thrilled that it went well. It sounds as if it could not have gone better. Good luck during your initial discussions with the rangers at Mount Evans. It sounds as if Cam and the Mt. Evans cleanups have laid the groundwork for - at a minimum - civil discussions with National Forest officials regarding a bouldering guide to some areas within the Mt. Evans Wilderness Area. I would highly recommend that you, and anyone who is interested for that matter, read about our system of Wilderness Areas, what it means to be "wilderness," why a federally protected system of Wilderness Areas was established and the most basic elements of the Wilderness Act of 1964 (which is actually very short compared to most acts of Congress ... only a handful of pages). It's available on hundreds of websites and is fairly straighforward except for the meaning of a dozen or so terms which have been the subject of litigation. A couple useful links: http://www.wildernesswatch.org/resources/wilderness.html http://www.wildernesswatch.org/resources/act.html I’m thrilled that it went well. It sounds as if it could not have gone better. Good luck during your initial discussions with the rangers at Mount Evans. It sounds as if Cam and the Mt. Evans cleanups have laid the groundwork for – at a minimum – civil discussions with National Forest officials regarding a bouldering guide to some areas within the Mt. Evans Wilderness Area.

I would highly recommend that you, and anyone who is interested for that matter, read about our system of Wilderness Areas, what it means to be “wilderness,” why a federally protected system of Wilderness Areas was established and the most basic elements of the Wilderness Act of 1964 (which is actually very short compared to most acts of Congress … only a handful of pages). It’s available on hundreds of websites and is fairly straighforward except for the meaning of a dozen or so terms which have been the subject of litigation.

A couple useful links:
http://www.wildernesswatch.org/resources/wilderness.html
http://www.wildernesswatch.org/resources/act.html

]]> By: meow http://www.b3bouldering.com/2009/12/20/guidebook-discussion-with-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-49220 meow Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:57:01 +0000 http://www.b3bouldering.com/?p=3396#comment-49220 dogs are not allowed in rmnp. dogs are not allowed in rmnp.

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