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	<title>Comments on: Colorado Guide Book II</title>
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	<description>Jamie Emerson</description>
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		<title>By: Eliott</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-24667</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay so .. are you NOT on the Freaky Boulder in that picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay so .. are you NOT on the Freaky Boulder in that picture?</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8256</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think Falcon would pay much attention to the lack of the guidebook addressing access issues, however they would pay attention to all of the mistakes. That&#039;s why I went so far to point them out. I think that is what will get the book pulled, if anything does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think Falcon would pay much attention to the lack of the guidebook addressing access issues, however they would pay attention to all of the mistakes. That&#8217;s why I went so far to point them out. I think that is what will get the book pulled, if anything does.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8245</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick note: I am an outsider. Still, it&#039;s not so hard for me to imagine the Boulder climbing community. There&#039;s a vibrant climber community where I live; surely there are some positive similarities. But besides that, I also have good friends who live and climb in Boulder. I&#039;ve even been there and I have to say it&#039;s a nice place. If luck will have it, it would be great to climb with you at your home sometime.

But my point really wasn&#039;t about the value of the Boulder scene and its members feelings, or about the Colorado slant of your blog. My point was just to suggest that it may be valuable for climbers to keep the significance and urgency of their activity in greater perspective. 

By the way, I uniformly commend the sorts of climber efforts that reduce threats to area access through good stewardship. But you&#039;ll have to admit that the greatest apparent concern in both of your posts was the threat of inaccurate problem names and grades, not access, which you only mentioned secondarily.

Anyway, good luck and good climbing. I look forward to bouldering in RMNP someday! If you ever find yourself around western NC, I&#039;d be glad to show you some worthwhile bouldering.

Respectfully, 

Zachary Lesch-Huie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note: I am an outsider. Still, it&#8217;s not so hard for me to imagine the Boulder climbing community. There&#8217;s a vibrant climber community where I live; surely there are some positive similarities. But besides that, I also have good friends who live and climb in Boulder. I&#8217;ve even been there and I have to say it&#8217;s a nice place. If luck will have it, it would be great to climb with you at your home sometime.</p>
<p>But my point really wasn&#8217;t about the value of the Boulder scene and its members feelings, or about the Colorado slant of your blog. My point was just to suggest that it may be valuable for climbers to keep the significance and urgency of their activity in greater perspective. </p>
<p>By the way, I uniformly commend the sorts of climber efforts that reduce threats to area access through good stewardship. But you&#8217;ll have to admit that the greatest apparent concern in both of your posts was the threat of inaccurate problem names and grades, not access, which you only mentioned secondarily.</p>
<p>Anyway, good luck and good climbing. I look forward to bouldering in RMNP someday! If you ever find yourself around western NC, I&#8217;d be glad to show you some worthwhile bouldering.</p>
<p>Respectfully, </p>
<p>Zachary Lesch-Huie</p>
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		<title>By: campusmang</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8237</link>
		<dc:creator>campusmang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyways, Jason Haas wrote a better book, guaranteed, he is from grand ledge so we know he takes his business seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyways, Jason Haas wrote a better book, guaranteed, he is from grand ledge so we know he takes his business seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: dawg</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8236</link>
		<dc:creator>dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mang that biz has been there 4 yrs n yrs

90 dollars @ the fair 4 onsighting the dyno undercling jib tr smear, with the tiny natural feature edge, no climbing shoes allowed, on sacred grownd, no lie, the carny said some dude was gonna take him to court over the no rock climbing shoes rule, he talked for ever to my friend. i decided to give it a shot.  my sticker read i rocked the wall.  10 bux a pop, $100 to the person who can get to the orange hold.  the excitement, the fear of this tr abc (auto belay component) breaking...
my mind stood ready, i watch a kid in his socks say its too hard, 
I am clipped into the locker.  i start climbing.  i think ok.. good thing i have a chalk ball in each pocket.  my hands are sweating like never before.  I get stuck.   But its just a simple high foot step, i keep going.  I find myself looking up high at the next hold i need to undercling a decent hold, it was smooth into the next piece of plastic, but again i am at another crux, three in a row i thought to myself bishes.  i am stuck for longer than before now, i find a good foot smear out right on the naturals.  My excitment is pounding, i was not expecting it to be this difficult.  I realize a climber had to have set this route, i find this natural edge on the face just right of the off section.  I stand up easily with two natural holds to two jib underclings that im pinching with my thumbs in the bolts.  i realize i have to dyno to the orange button hold.  i think to myself okay this is it now go, so i jumped and nailed the orange button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mang that biz has been there 4 yrs n yrs</p>
<p>90 dollars @ the fair 4 onsighting the dyno undercling jib tr smear, with the tiny natural feature edge, no climbing shoes allowed, on sacred grownd, no lie, the carny said some dude was gonna take him to court over the no rock climbing shoes rule, he talked for ever to my friend. i decided to give it a shot.  my sticker read i rocked the wall.  10 bux a pop, $100 to the person who can get to the orange hold.  the excitement, the fear of this tr abc (auto belay component) breaking&#8230;<br />
my mind stood ready, i watch a kid in his socks say its too hard,<br />
I am clipped into the locker.  i start climbing.  i think ok.. good thing i have a chalk ball in each pocket.  my hands are sweating like never before.  I get stuck.   But its just a simple high foot step, i keep going.  I find myself looking up high at the next hold i need to undercling a decent hold, it was smooth into the next piece of plastic, but again i am at another crux, three in a row i thought to myself bishes.  i am stuck for longer than before now, i find a good foot smear out right on the naturals.  My excitment is pounding, i was not expecting it to be this difficult.  I realize a climber had to have set this route, i find this natural edge on the face just right of the off section.  I stand up easily with two natural holds to two jib underclings that im pinching with my thumbs in the bolts.  i realize i have to dyno to the orange button hold.  i think to myself okay this is it now go, so i jumped and nailed the orange button.</p>
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		<title>By: entropy</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8198</link>
		<dc:creator>entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zachary, I think the biggest issue with this book is the access issue.  This book will cause serious problems in that regard to places where access is already very sensitive.  

But I don&#039;t believe Falcon will do anything about that for whatever reasons they would want to cite.  However, by pointing out the terrible inaccuracies in this book, perhaps something will actually be done by the publisher.  To publish a book with such an absurd amount of errors would be very detrimental because if they put that out it shows the extremely poor quality of materials they are willing to publish which would do some serious damage to their reputation.  Would anyone seriously pay $50 for a guide to place they are unfamiliar with knowing how terrible some of their other guides have turned out?  I sure as heck wouldn&#039;t.

So the short of it is...I think the access is the main thing most of us are worried about.  And it&#039;s far more likely that Falcon will take action with this book due to numerous (this word seems like such an understatement in this context) errors in this book than they would because of access issues that are not mentioned.  I&#039;m sure that will just be put on the shoulders of the responsible boulderer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary, I think the biggest issue with this book is the access issue.  This book will cause serious problems in that regard to places where access is already very sensitive.  </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t believe Falcon will do anything about that for whatever reasons they would want to cite.  However, by pointing out the terrible inaccuracies in this book, perhaps something will actually be done by the publisher.  To publish a book with such an absurd amount of errors would be very detrimental because if they put that out it shows the extremely poor quality of materials they are willing to publish which would do some serious damage to their reputation.  Would anyone seriously pay $50 for a guide to place they are unfamiliar with knowing how terrible some of their other guides have turned out?  I sure as heck wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So the short of it is&#8230;I think the access is the main thing most of us are worried about.  And it&#8217;s far more likely that Falcon will take action with this book due to numerous (this word seems like such an understatement in this context) errors in this book than they would because of access issues that are not mentioned.  I&#8217;m sure that will just be put on the shoulders of the responsible boulderer.</p>
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		<title>By: campusmang</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8192</link>
		<dc:creator>campusmang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.rocknroad.com... coming soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rocknroad.com.." rel="nofollow">http://www.rocknroad.com..</a>. coming soon</p>
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		<title>By: campusmang</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8191</link>
		<dc:creator>campusmang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Now, Okay Je brings up a good point
Guidebooks are important
Fix the mistakes as best as possible for safety and historical purposes.    
many famous guidebooks like rock n road by tim toula, are fixed after tips from the masses. I never entered his site though, ill check asap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Now, Okay Je brings up a good point<br />
Guidebooks are important<br />
Fix the mistakes as best as possible for safety and historical purposes.<br />
many famous guidebooks like rock n road by tim toula, are fixed after tips from the masses. I never entered his site though, ill check asap</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.b3bouldering.com/2008/08/14/colorado-guide-book-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-8189</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zachary, I can see how you can feel the way you do looking at Boulder from the outside.  Its hard to imagine the community that is here.  There are so many motivated climbers out every weekend. Organizations like the NCCC have taken very active roles and done countless hours of payless work to secure access to the world class areas that we have here.  I think people do get scared when it looks like all of that work can be wiped out or at least threatened by this guidebook.  I would hope that in all the traveling I have done I do keep in mind other climbers and other areas.  However, Boulder is my home and the news I report here is going to have a Colorado slant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary, I can see how you can feel the way you do looking at Boulder from the outside.  Its hard to imagine the community that is here.  There are so many motivated climbers out every weekend. Organizations like the NCCC have taken very active roles and done countless hours of payless work to secure access to the world class areas that we have here.  I think people do get scared when it looks like all of that work can be wiped out or at least threatened by this guidebook.  I would hope that in all the traveling I have done I do keep in mind other climbers and other areas.  However, Boulder is my home and the news I report here is going to have a Colorado slant.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks like the endurance pitch of Astroman to me...sweet pic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks like the endurance pitch of Astroman to me&#8230;sweet pic</p>
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